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The problem with Ancestry …

About a year ago I took up the offer of a reduced subscription to Ancestry UK over the Christmas holidays. I have dabbled with Ancestry on and off and always been excited to discover new records. I never cancelled my subscription but a year later have thought that I probably should. Not that I don’t love researching my family history, but just need to save money.

I started to investigate saving all my hours of research on Ancestry. Like many others, I built my family tree and added records to each person. I thought I would give myself a target of downloading my records and cancelling my subscription at the end of the month. My family tree is quite modest, about 260 people but imagine my horror when I realised I was unable to download all the records I had found from the family tree or my shoebox (a safe place where I kept ‘possible’ records). It seems you can download a GEDCOM file but none of the associated records!

I already have a GEDCOM file hosted on my own website. It’s not updated very frequently but I became lazy when I started my Ancestry based family tree, and my own one now needs updating.

I wasn’t sure where to start trying to save my Ancestry records. I already had a folder of screenshots, saved emails and random documents saved on my own computer. I decided to re-organise my files and start from there.

First, I created family name folders, which contained individual folders for each member of the family. Then I was able to sort out all my existing saved documents and save them to the correct individual. This took a couple of evenings.

The second thing I did was to look at the documents I had saved to my Ancestry shoebox. This contained some great documents, as well as some not so useful documents. I deleted the documents which no longer needed saving and started downloading some of the more interesting documents. However, I soon realised that there were some duplicates with records already saved to my family tree. This took me one evening to realise, so I stopped working on my shoebox.

I decided I needed to be more systematic in my approach so went to the list of people saved to my tree and copied it to Excel.

This gave me a list of all the people in alphabetical order, alongside basic birth and death dates.

I added a few columns of my own, including document saved from Ancestry, and if I had checked the details against my own GEDCOM file. I soon realised this was not going to be a quick task finished in a month! Ancestry makes it difficult and time consuming to download any data. It is easy to see why, as they make money on your subscription. If you cancel your subscription you will still be able to see your family tree, but not the records you have saved to it.

Once I had my list of people, I was able to start downloading any record I had saved to that individual. I went to the person record, saw the number of records, opened each one and saved it to my computer. I changed the file name immediately to something simple, such as 1891 census or Civil Registration Birth, so the filenames had more meaning. Then saved the record to the individual family folder I had set up on my computer. I added a note to my spreadsheet of the records I had downloaded, as well as the date I had saved them.

It seems a mammoth task and it is quite dull but important for me to have copies of my research, not just so I can cancel my Ancestry subscription, but so I ‘own’ my research. I use Nextcloud to save my personal files and can access these on my iPhone so am able to check records wherever I am which is really useful. I started saving records last week and have done about 5% so far. But I know if I keep at the task for a few weeks, I will soon have much better records at my fingertips and am not beholden to paying anyone to access them. I’ve already re-discovered some interesting facts I had forgotten about so I think this will actually be a useful exercise.

Exploring the National Probate Calendar

Some of the records I have saved from records on Ancestry have been entries from the National Probate Calendar. I have been searching for a Will for Thomas Mansel for a while, he’s one of my favourite characters and I would love to have found out more about him, such as if he had any property or possessions to leave. Sadly, I think he had neither, which is why he didn’t leave a Will.

Did you know you can pay £1.50 to access more information and you will receive a copy of the grant of representation and the will, if there is one. I have ordered a couple of records so am looking forward to finding out if anything is attached to them. I have no idea how long they take to arrive too so I will be refreshing every day!

So far I have found entries for Blanche Cole, Henry Harper Young, Ebenezer Fly, George Benger, George Caswell and Alfred Young. Obviously there were a lot more Wills made by men than women, but I am excited to read the Will of Blanche Cole and see what information it holds.

Find My Past road trip ballot

Find My Past are offering the chance to have a remarkable UK road trip. If you have a family history mystery to solve or a brick wall you need help smashing down, apply now.

Applications to be their next genealogy star are now open. They are looking for a UK resident to take on a family history adventure of a lifetime. Someone passionate about their family tree, whether they’ve started to research it or not.

If you’d like to be the star of your own family history road trip, apply now here. The closing date is the 28th January 2024.

Here is my application:

My family history mystery

I started researching my family history as a school project and got hooked. My mum has always told me stories about her side of the family but unfortunately my Dad did not know much about his. He died when I was 20 and as he was an only child there was no-one left to ask.

I researched his parents and grand-parents and soon stumbled upon his uncle, Alfred Mansel Young, who died in the First World War. He was born in May 1895 and lived in Portsmouth. For some reason at the time of the 1911 census he was living and working in Bridgend, Wales, far away from his father and younger brother who lived in Portsmouth.

Sadly he was killed in action at Ypres in 1916, his name inscribed on the Thiepval Memorial. When my Dad died I inherited a box of letters which my paternal Grandmother had received after her husband died in 1959. One of these letters was from Tom Underhill which mentioned he was the adopted brother of Tom Underhill, the family my great uncle was staying with on the night of the 1911 census.

I haven’t managed to find a connection between the Underhill family of Bridgend and my Young family even though my great uncle is listed as nephew to John and Annie Underhill on the census. This is my mystery and I would love some help to understand what caused my uncle to move to Wales and live with this family until he enlisted with the South Wales Borderers in 1914. Was there a family connection?

I have my uncles’ First World War medals, a couple of photographs of him in uniform, and I believe a photo of John and Annie Underhill, and that is all.

Discover wartime ancestors for free on Findmypast this Remembrance weekend

To mark Remembrance, Findmypast is making its website and collections completely free to the public. From Thursday 9th November to Monday 13th November, anyone will be able to uncover the wartime experiences of their ancestors, from nurses to soldiers to home front civilians.

With free access to billions of records and an interconnected tree network, it’s easier than ever to uncover your ancestors’ wartime stories.

Explore the rich stories of bravery, community and tragedy in over 70 million searchable historical newspaper pages, digitised in partnership with the British Library. You’ll find details about your ancestors that you won’t get in other records, helping you to make connections and gain a deeper understanding of their wartime experiences.

You can also delve into 1939 Register, military records, hospital and migration records, and many more, to build a detailed picture of your ancestors’ lives. Unfortunately the 1921 census is not included in this offer.

If I ever get to visit The National Archives

I’m starting a list of documents I need to consult when I get time to visit The National Archives:

In 1677 the Admiralty introduced examinations for prospective lieutenants to test whether individuals had the necessary experience and skills. They were awarded a certificate if they passed. These certificates, which can provide information about a man’s service prior to the exam, usually recorded the age, date and place of birth of the officer as well as the names of the ships he had served on – Alfred Young

Royal Navy lieutenants’ passing certificates 1691-1902 / by Bruno Pappalardo

Be part of The Nation’s Family Album

Be part of The Nation’s Family Album. Your family photos could be in a special display at the National Portrait Gallery in 2023.

Be part of The Nation’s Family Album

The National Portrait Gallery in London holds the most extensive collection of portraits in the world, and you could be a part of it. To launch our partnership, we’re creating a special display at the gallery in 2023 called The Nation’s Family Album. Submit your favourite family photo for your chance to feature in the display, we want to include as many as possible.

Submit images that represent what family means to you, thinking about the themes of belongingconnectionlegacy and identity.

It could be your great-grandfather’s military portrait, your family celebrating an important occasion, or even a picture you’ve painted of your aunt. Make sure you include the story behind the image, as we want to know why it’s so special.

Start searching through your camera roll, old albums or even the attic and together we can create The Nation’s Family Album.

You can upload a maximum of three images and entries must be submitted by 30th June 2022. You can enter your images here.