Lady Mansel memorial lozenge at St Peter’s

I was doing a little research into family connections with St Peter’s, Carmarthen. When we visited Carmarthen last year we walked past the church and I am annoyed with myself that we did not go in. Since then I have discovered that a few of the children of Sir William and Mary Mansel were baptised in the church:

Rebecca Elisabeth baptised 9th August 1769 at St Peter’s, Carmarthen

Richard Mansel baptised November 10th 1770, at St Peter’s, Carmarthen

William Mansel baptised April 4th 1776, at St Peter’s, Carmarthen

I also discovered that there was a memorial lozenge to Lady Mansel at St Peter’s Church, on the wall near the organ which states the following:

In the family vault in this chancel are deposited the remains of MARY Relict of Sir WILLIAM MANSEL of Iscoed and Daughter of JOHN PHILIPPS Esq. by ELIZABETH his 2nd Wife of Coedgain in this County. In the Christians full hope of a blessed immortality She departed this life in the 66th year of her age.

The memorial lozenge looks to be made of marble and was designed/made by Cooke.

Lady Mary Mansel died in 1811 and was buried at St Peter’s Carmarthen in the family vault on the 3rd January 1813.

I have contacted St Peter’s to see if they have any record of the family vault but they do not think they have any records relating to burials in the vault, they also mentioned that burials ceased in the church yard in 1856. So I have contacted the Carmarthen Records Office first to see if they hold any records of burial vaults at St Peter’s.

All Saints Newchurch parish records

I have been exploring the short life of Alexina Louise Mansel who was baptised at Birdham in 1829. Her mother died shortly after her birth and was buried at All Saints parish church, Newchurch, Isle of Wight.

I checked the burials at Birdham but could not find mention of the death and burial of Alexina. I was hoping that I would find the records of burials online but they don’t seem to be digitised yet.

Instead I looked up the Isle of Wight Records Office where you can consult the original registers or copies on microfiche: NEW/REG/BUR/1 1813-1864. All the entries in the parish registers from 1539 to 1900 have been recorded in the Personal Names Index. This is a card index that can be consulted in the Record Office search room.

The Isle of Wight Record Office can be found at
26 Hillside
Newport
Isle of Wight
PO30 2EB

I will try and make an appointment to see these records next time we visit.

Mention of Captain Thomas Mansel

I came across a couple of mentions of my 3x great grandfather, Captain Thomas Mansel, in The Life of William Stirling, and his account of the Wreck of the Ship, ‘Tiger’, and the two months spent on Anstove Island in the Seychelles, in 1836.

July 20th 1831 New Romney, Kent

I daresay you are quite unprepared for this new address but having girded on my Sword for the fight I have hastened to this my destination. I took possession this afternoon of No 1 Battery Dungeness a station on the Coast for the prevention of smuggling. I left my Wife & family on the 12th caught a severe cold on my way to Town from exposure to the heavy rain during the night, was laid up at Folkestone with a slight attack of inflammation on the Chest for three or four days waited on my Commander Capt. Mansell & on the following day repaired to this dreary spot.

The Coasts of Kent & Sussex so near the French Coast are of course Demons for smuggling & you may have seen in the Papers what dreadful work there has been lately in this District right & left of us. Lieut Parry in resisting the attack received 3 Slugs in his Shoulder & a copper nail, one Slug in his arm and another in his finger all of which have been extracted he is slowly mending & four of his Crew desperately wounded 34 Smugglers were killed & wounded 15 have been buried & some still lie very ill. I have not been attacked but expect an attempt will be made this week when we shall do our best. Parry is promoted & we propose giving our Inspecting Commander Capt. Mansel a Dinner in consequence of his exertions to that end.

Link: https://api.repository.cam.ac.uk/server/api/core/bitstreams/6435ab20-2604-4fb2-b8c7-390ec677918e/content

Welsh Murders Volume 1: 1770-1918

I found an intriguing mention of my Mansel relation in a book called Welsh Murders Volume 1: 1770-1918. Written by Peter Fuller and Brian Knapp, published 1986.

There is a chapter called Glanareth – The Glanareth Conspiracy which took place between 1769/1770.  A murder took place in Glanareth, Bethlehem , Carmarthenshire.

The story mentions Sir William Mansel my 4x great grandfather. I want to find a copy of the book, or this story, so I can see more. I know that it mentions Sir William as a gentleman/member of the ‘Blue Coat Hunt’.

For extracts from a contemporary pamphlet account of the trial see this blog post: http://sharonhoward.org/waleslaw/glanareth.htm

Iscoed Home Farm

A few days ago I was wondering where my branch of the Mansel family had lived before they had Iscoed House built for them. I was able to find a tiny nugget of information in an online leaflet for a walk around Ferryside, where we stayed last year.

According to the trail:

“The walk passes three places with the name Iscoed. A farm track leads to Iscoed Uchaf, a working farm, and Iscoed Home Farm, a historic house inhabited by medieval Welsh uchelwyr or gentry families. Sir William Mansel began to build a new mansion, also called Iscoed in 1772. This is the striking brick-built ruin to be seen from lower down the walk. In 1804 both mansions were sold to General Sir Thomas Picton, who died a hero’s death at the battle of Waterloo in 1815.”

So it seems that the family lived at Iscoed Home Farm prior to their new house being finished. I have not yet been able to find out anything about Iscoed Home Farm, except for this photo :

Ffarm Iscoed Home Farm
cc-by-sa/2.0 – © Alan Richards – geograph.org.uk/p/4288573

Link to leafet: https://www.discovercarmarthenshire.com/media/2481/ferryside.pdf

Sir William Mansel MP for Carmarthenshire

It looks like Sir William Mansel, my 4xgreat-grand father had a career as an MP for Carmarthenshire for a short period.

I was able to find the following information thanks to the history of parliament online website:

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1754-1790/member/mansel-sir-william-1739-1804#family-relations

Sir William Mansel was MP for Carmarthenshire from 1784-1790.

b. 1 Mar. 1739, o.s. of Sir Richard Mansel, 8th Bt., by his 2nd w. Rebecca, da. of William Ware of Farranalough, co. Cork.  m. 26 Aug. 1765, Mary, da. of John Philipps of Coedgain, sis. of George Philipps, 7s. 4da.  suc. fa. Feb. 1749.

Biography

Mansel was returned unopposed for Carmarthenshire in 1784 as a follower of Pitt. His only known vote was with Administration on Richmond’s fortifications plan, 27 Feb. 1786, and there is no record of his having spoken in the House. In 1789 he began to canvass Carrnarthen borough against the next general election, and complained to Lord Hawkesbury of the little support he received from Administration:1 ‘I believe my political principles are well known, and from which I shall never depart, therefore am the more surprised I have not better support from those in power.’ Probably his absence from the divisions on the Regency did not commend him to Pitt. In the event Mansel did not stand in 1790.

He died 3 Jan. 1804.