Exploring the National Probate Calendar

Some of the records I have saved from records on Ancestry have been entries from the National Probate Calendar. I have been searching for a Will for Thomas Mansel for a while, he’s one of my favourite characters and I would love to have found out more about him, such as if he had any property or possessions to leave. Sadly, I think he had neither, which is why he didn’t leave a Will.

Did you know you can pay £1.50 to access more information and you will receive a copy of the grant of representation and the will, if there is one. I have ordered a couple of records so am looking forward to finding out if anything is attached to them. I have no idea how long they take to arrive too so I will be refreshing every day!

So far I have found entries for Blanche Cole, Henry Harper Young, Ebenezer Fly, George Benger, George Caswell and Alfred Young. Obviously there were a lot more Wills made by men than women, but I am excited to read the Will of Blanche Cole and see what information it holds.

Researching Irish family history

I’ve been trying to find out a little more about my ancestors and their time in Ireland. It seems as though my branch of the Mansel family had land in both Ireland and Wales.

Both Sir Richard Mansel 8th Baronet and Sir William Mansel 9th Baronet kept a property at Woodstone in Cork, Ireland which it seems Sir William Mansel 10th Baronet left for after he sold Iscoed in around 1812.

I have been thinking that his son Thomas Mansel may have spent some time in Ireland when he left active service in the Royal Navy. Although he was not listed as a witness to his daughter’s marriage in 1850 at the Collegiate Church of St Nicholas in Galway he may have been resident at the time. Her address was given as Stoneligh Cottage, Shantalla which was in Galway far away from Cork. I would love to use Irish records and see if Thomas Mansel or his daughter Selina Mansel were living in Ireland in the 1840s.

I’ve been unable to find out anything about Woodstone in County Cork, Ireland so this is something I will keep researching. I did come across  a great website called landed estates which lists the landed estates and historic houses in the provinces of Connacht, Munster and part of Ulster, c. 1700-1914 but unfortunately it does not cover Cork.

Findmypast also has  records relating to Landed Estates Court Rentals 1850-1885 in Ireland. I’m thinking I might have to take out a subscription to search these records at some point. I’m just not sure where else to look.

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My family history mystery

I started researching my family history as a school project and got hooked. My mum has always told me stories about her side of the family but unfortunately my Dad did not know much about his. He died when I was 20 and as he was an only child there was no-one left to ask.

I researched his parents and grand-parents and soon stumbled upon his uncle, Alfred Mansel Young, who died in the First World War. He was born in May 1895 and lived in Portsmouth. For some reason at the time of the 1911 census he was living and working in Bridgend, Wales, far away from his father and younger brother who lived in Portsmouth.

Sadly he was killed in action at Ypres in 1916, his name inscribed on the Thiepval Memorial. When my Dad died I inherited a box of letters which my paternal Grandmother had received after her husband died in 1959. One of these letters was from Tom Underhill which mentioned he was the adopted brother of Tom Underhill, the family my great uncle was staying with on the night of the 1911 census.

I haven’t managed to find a connection between the Underhill family of Bridgend and my Young family even though my great uncle is listed as nephew to John and Annie Underhill on the census. This is my mystery and I would love some help to understand what caused my uncle to move to Wales and live with this family until he enlisted with the South Wales Borderers in 1914. Was there a family connection?

I have my uncles’ First World War medals, a couple of photographs of him in uniform, and I believe a photo of John and Annie Underhill, and that is all.

Margam Abbey and Castle

We were lucky to have the time to stop off and explore the Margam Abbey and Castle on our way back from Wales. This had been the family home of a branch of the Mansel family and is now owned by Neath Port Talbot County Borough Council and run as Margam Country Park.

Within Margam Country Park can be found Margam Abbey, a ruined Cistercian monastery; Margam Castle, a neo-Gothic country house that was once the seat of the Mansel Talbot family; and the 18th-century Orangery.

I really wanted to visit Margam Abbey but we were also able to walk up to Margam Castle too.

Margam Abbey

Margam Abbey

I bought a photography permit for £1 and took some photos of the beautiful Mansel tombs within the Mansel Chapel at Margam Abbey. The four tombs show members of the Mansel family who held the Margam Estate following the Dissolution. The alabaster tombs illustrate the family wealth.

As well as the alabaster tombs showing recumbent effigies (the males of the line appear in full armour, their wives wear appropriate costume from the period),  there are several wall memorials too.

Mansel tomb in Margam Abbey

The four alabaster tombs are for Sir Rice Mansel of Oxwich and Penrice (1487-1559), Sir Edward Mansel (1531-1585), Sir Thomas Mansel (1556-1631) and Sir Lewis Mansel (1638).

The wall memorials are dedicated to Sit Edward Mansel, Sir Thomas Mansel, Sir Rawleigh Bussey, Sir Rich Mansel and Katherine Bussey.

Mansel tombs in Margam Abbey

From here it was a short walk to Margam Castle which was built for Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot (1830-1890) in 1840, designed by Thomas Hopper in the Tudor Gothic style.

Margam Castle

You cannot see much of the house today although I was very happy to be allowed inside. We did get to see the magnificent central staircase.

staircase within Margam Castle

There are formal garden and a stable block which now houses a cafe and shop.

There was a wedding taking place on the day we visited so we were unable to visit the Orangery. This was designed by Anthony Keck to house a large collection of citrus trees and built between 1787 and 1790. It is the longest orangery in the British Isles.

We enjoyed our unexpected trip to Margam Abbey and Castle. It is well worth a visit, especially if you have a family connection.

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Faculty records at the National Library

Yesterday I sent my research request off to Carmarthenshire Archives in regards the burial vault of Lady Mary Mansel at St Peter’s Church. I was amazed to receive a response back in a matter of hours.

“Unfortunately, we do not hold the records required. Any alteration to the fabric of a building owned by the Church of Wales, including the erection a memorial tablet, etc., requires official consent i.e. the granting of Faculties on behalf of the archbishop. Faculty records are held at the National Library in Aberystwyth. See: https://archives.library.wales/index.php/diocesan-records-5

….With that said, you are very welcome to visit the archives and carry out the research for yourself. Our staff will provide you with all of the assistance you require.

Relevant catalogues available online are:

https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/b205f57b-2820-39b7-90a0-a3b0516b8fc0

https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/94e70c71-802a-3f99-948a-b830bfe778d4  This catalogue has not been catalogued to item level.

Please also see attached: You could also try contacting the Carmarthenshire Antiquarian Society to see if any work has been done in this area.
See: https://www.carmants.org.uk/

Iscoed House

I had not come across Historic Carmarthenshire Homes before and am so happy to have read the pages about Iscoed old and new. It confirms that little bit of information I came across the other day about Iscoed Home Farm being the original home of Sir William Mansel.

Now to contact the National Library in Aberystwyth regarding the granting of Faculties on behalf of the archbishop!