Alfred Mansel Young revisited

One of my favourite and most enigmatic characters in my family history is Alfred Mansel Young. I’ve previously posted about him, but just the bare facts. He’s my brick wall.

Why was he an enigma?

Because he left his family in Portsmouth and went to live in South Wales with a branch of his family.

A couple of years ago we went to South Wales for a long weekend and managed to go and visit some of the addresses my relatives had lived. I’m not sure why but I really like doing this and I think it adds another dimension to your knowledge, getting a feel for the places they lived in and the streets they must have walked.

I wonder why he left his family and moved away? His life was so short yet he had moved from Portsmouth to Bridgend and then enlisted and been killed, all by the time he was 21.

He enlisted with the South Wales Borderers in Bridgend and his name is on the Bridgend War Memorial so he must have been living their permanently. Perhaps there were no jobs for him in Portsmouth, he’d fallen out with his family or was sent away after his mother died when he was young?

When we were in Bridgend I checked all the local papers at the local Record Office for mentions of his death but I couldn’t find any.

We visited the street mentioned in the 1911 census but only half of the street survived, the wrong half, of course!

After his death his medals must have been sent to his father as they were eventually passed down to me along with a couple of his army photographs, his cap badge and a name badge.

His First World War Army records were destroyed so this is the only information I have about him. I suppose a lot of people must have people like this in their family whose lives were cut short by war. I just find it so frustrating that I can’t find any information about him.

 

Cole, William St Clair (1853-1924)

I was so excited that someone found my blog searching for William St Clair Cole. I think this is a really unusual name and is one of my ancestors so I was quite sad that they didn’t leave a comment. I thought I would add a post about him in case they come back!

William St Clair Cole was born in 1853 in Cape Town, the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa. His parents were Robert Cole, a Clerk in Holy Orders and Charlotte Cole.

Married Blanche Elizabeth Young on the 23 December 1880 at the Parish Church, Fareham, Southampton.

1881 census: Bank Clerk, 5 Peninsular Terrace, Southampton St Mary

1883 son Robert Mansel S Cole born

1887 daughter Gertrude Cole born

1891 census: 37 Osborn Road, St Denys, Southampton

1892 married Maria Mary Brown, in Paddington, London

1894 daughter Rita St Clair Cole born

1901 census: 8 Anglesea Road, Shirley, Southampton

1902 Kelly’s Directory lists him at 260 Shirley Road, Southampton

1911 census: Bank Clerk, 21 Beach Grove, Liscard, Chesire (wife listed as mentally affected)

Died 1924, Birkenhead, Cheshire

 

Could possible check The London Probate Registry to see if he left a will?

 

How to scan old photographs

Recently my mum has been helping her cousin identify some old photographs. I inherited lots of photographs from my maternal grandparents and luckily they went through a lot of them with me when they were still alive.

I have three new photographs to add to my collection. Unfortunately they’ve been scanned to a very small size but it’s nice to have them.

KeithHacker1956Keith Hacker’s wedding, 1960s

LesHackerLes Hacker’s wedding

front row, third left, Nanny Hacker, Auntie Bid, Kath Winchcombe, bride and groom, Auntie Dor, Auntie Else. Middle row – 3rd left, Grampy Hacker, Uncle Chip just behind him, miss 3, then Uncle Cecil, Auntie Connie, Uncle Reg. This must have been taken before 1935, as Grampy and Uncle Cecil died that year from TB. The whole surviving family (4 boys, 4 girls) of the 10 children Nanny had, are on this photo.

Auntie Dor’s wedding

Trying to find old addresses

I haven’t had much time for any family history research lately. It’s going to be a hobby which I dip in and out of when I have time.

I thought I would use this blog to make a note of queries I have, perhaps someone will read and be able to help 🙂

What do you do when you would like to trace an old address? I have relatives living on the Isle of Wight according to the 1841 census and I would love to try and trace the house they were living in.

In 1841 George Caswell was recorded as living at Hawthorn Cottage, Northwood, Isle of Wight, Hampshire. I’m from the Isle of Wight so I often think about tracking down this property. Last time we visited we even went to Cowes/Northwood and it was so frustrating to be in the area and not know where this property was. I admit I was on my iPhone googling like mad but unable to find anything.

Caswell1841censusThe 1841 census was brief but it shows that Hawthorn Cottage was in the Parish of Northwood and surrounded by Mill Hill, Ivy Cottage, Three Gates and Broadfields.

The occupants of the house were

  • George Caswell, age 40 profession Navy
  • Louisa Ann Caswell, age 25
  • Benjamin Leigh, age 70, profession Navy
  • Elizabeth Leigh, age 60
  • Henry Leigh, age 20
  • Selina E C Mansel, age 13
  • Anne Delicate (sp?), age 20, house servant?

I’ve just looked on google maps and Mill Hill still exists so perhaps it’s just a case of driving down the road looking to see if any houses have their original names on them? We’ve done this before and were lucky – which I must write about another time.

Alternatively I could go to the Record Office but I feel they must be too busy to answer this kind of enquiry.

Young, Mansel (1854-1929)

Born 1854/1855 in Dublin. Parents Alfred Young and Selina Elizabeth Courtenay Mansel.

1861 Census – HM Ship Laurel, Ship in Ordinary, Hampshire
age 6

1871 Census – no record found

23 December 1880, witness at wedding of his sister Blanche Young and William St Clair Cole at the Parish Church, Fareham
1881 Census No. 11 East Street, Fareham
Unmarried, 26, no occupation

1891 Census No 17 Broad Street, Portsea
unmarried, age 36, Commission Agent – Collector for a Bookmaker, lodger

Married between 1891 and 1895 (no record found)

31 May 1895 son, Alfred Mansel Young born

5 July 1895, listed on birth certificate of son, occupation Assurance Agent, address 13 Broad Street, Southsea

8 June 1897 son, Henry Harper Young born

16 July 1897, registered birth of son; occupation given as Assurance Agent, address 37 Addison Road, Southsea
1901 Census – 2 Woodland Cottage, Woodland St, Portsmouth
age 47, occupation bricklayers labourer, married

1911 Census 13 Woodland St, Kingston, Portsmouth
age 57, Dockyard Labourer, Naval Store Department, widower,
29 March 1929 died pf ursernia and enlarged prostrate, no post mortem. Occupation: general labourer. Address 265 Milton Road, Portsmouth. Death registered by son Henry Harper Young on 30 March 1929, address 6 Woodland Street, Kingston.

[could not find a Probate Record]

Young, Catherine (1781-1865)

1781 born in Clonfert, Ireland. Parents were Matthew Young and Anne Cuthbertson.

Date unknown: married John Odell and had four children: Sophie, Edward, Catherine and John

1811 husband died (address given as Queen Anne Street West, London)

1851 Census, 2 Cambridge Terrace, off Outer Circle, Marylebone (boarding house)
widow, age 70, annuitant

ODELL, Catherine “relict of John” (YOUNG); born Clonfert, Dublin; died Carriglea, Waterford; published in the Cork Examiner, 26/01/1865