Category Archives: Young family

Useful information from gravestones

I have some Irish ancestors and have largely ignored them as Irish records confuse me. However, I was having a look at a document yesterday and found a name I hadn’t added into my family tree.

I had a google of her name and came across the following record from a database of headstones at Faithlegg Cemetery, Cheekpoint, Co. Waterford. The names and location seem to match so I am going to assume it relates to my family. I hardly ever find burial or cemetery records so I was very pleased to find it was legible and had been transcribed after so many years.

No 73
Sacred | To The Memory of | MARY CATHERINE | wife of Commander | M. YOUNG RN. | who departed this life | the 31st of July 1836. | at Dunmore East aged 42. | and her mother | MARY JOSEPH WERTZ | Wife of Lieut. Colonel | McDERMOTT | of the 3rd Irish Brigade who | departed this life | 18th April | 1850 aged 75 | also MATHEW HANDOCK | 3rd son of Commander M. YOUNG RN. | who departed this life the | 8th October 1854 aged 31. | “May They Rest in Peace. Amen”.

It must have been a large plot to accommodate 3 people. Wonder why she wasn’t buried with her husband? Wonder why their son had a different surname or is it an unusual middle name?

Records of The Royal Naval School

I’ve been doing some further research regarding Blanche Elizabeth Young (1856-1891) who was approved as a candidate at the Royal Naval Female School, Isleworth in 1868 and was there until at least 1871.

According to TNA catalogue I found that the Local Studies Library at Hounslow held the following record:

Royal Naval Female School, Isleworth
GB/NNAF/C2823
1868-1875: ledger

I contacted them to see if it held any relevant information and received the following response:

…this is an isolated document that at some point became separated from the school’s records, remained in Isleworth after the school had left the area, and found its way to us. The ledger records payments received by the school in date order, with a page every month summarising school expenditure during the month. Entries are made in columns under headings such as Subscriptions; School Fees; Donations; Chapel Fund etc. Only minimal information (rank or title, initials, surname) for those paying money to the school is recorded in the ledger, against their payments.
I have paged through the period late-March 1868 – January 1870 to see what might be in it that could be of use to you.
Several pages for the summer of 1869 have been torn out and are missing – perhaps by the child who has pencilled the words ‘Roten book an’t it cock’ on a page for March 1869. Several other pages are torn and damaged, but not actually removed from the book.
I spotted a small number of ‘Young’ entries while I was paging through the book, none before the first date given below:

20 Feb [should be Jan. – two pages have been described as February but are found in the middle of an otherwise sequentially correct January date sequence] 1869: R M Young; Annual Subscription; £1/1/0.

17 April 1869; Miss Young; School Fees; £4/15/0 [I take the name given here to be a reference to the pupil not the fee payer]

1 October 1869; Miss Young; School Fees; £7/15/0

7 January 1870; Lady Young; Annual Subscription; £1/0/0

19 January 1870; Misses (plural this time)Young; School Fees; £7/15/0

I hope that the above will give you some idea of the potential usefulness or otherwise of this document. Reading through it all and looking for entries in the name ‘Young’ would certainly take me a couple of hours and our charge for such research on behalf of a remote enquirer is £27.00 per hour. I am sure that you understand how thinly staffed we are and that I have many other calls upon my time.
My understanding is that in 1976, when Philip Unwin wrote a history of The Royal Naval School, the school still had a substantial archive of old records. I cannot say whether it still has them and cherishes them, or whether they have now gone to a County Record Office. The School left Isleworth/St. Margarets during the blitz of 1940, after experiencing some bomb damage. It is now part of the Royal School, in the Farnham/Hazlemere area.

Definitely something to add to my ‘to do’ list!

Young, Blanche Elizabeth (1856-1891)

Blanche Elizabeth Young was the daughter of Alfred and Selina Young. She was born on December 28th 1856 at Contantia Terrace, Marine Town, Minster, Sheerness, Kent. Her father was a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy and presumably based in Sheerness, which had a Royal Naval Dockyard.

1861 census she is recorded as a visitor at 17 Otterbourne Village, Hampshire (the home of her uncle Benjamin Leigh, Superannuated Excise Officer)

1868 entered the The Naval School, Isleworth

1871 census she is recorded as a scholar at *The Naval School, Isleworth

(1875 left The Naval School, Isleworth? – need to check)

1880 married William St Clair Cole in the Parish Church at Fareham

1881 census living at 5 Peninsular Terrace, Southampton St Mary

1883 son Robert Mansel S Cole born

1887 daughter Gertrude Cole born

1891 died South Stoneham, Southampton (of what?)

*The Royal Naval School had been founded in 1840 to educate the daughters of naval officers and moved to St. Margaret’s, Isleworth, in 1856. It is now known as The Royal School, having merged with The Grove School in 1995.

I have one report from the school, dated 1868 (from the University of Dundee Archives), which lists new candidates to the school. My great-grandfather’s sister is listed as follows:

  • Name of candidate – Young, Blanche E.
  • Age 11
  • Father’s Name, Rank, etc – Commander Alfred Young, R.N., deceased
  • Remarks of the Committee – Has claims

In 1868 there were 87 girls enrolled at the school where they seemed to stay until the age of 18.

Wedding Wednesday – Benger/Young 1929

This way I’m joining up with Wedding Wednesday again. I’ve chosen a black and white photograph of my grandparents on their wedding day, 14th September 1929 at the Parish Church, Elson, Gosport.

benger young wedding

My grandmother kept a few souvenirs from her wedding day including  the parish newsletter, a silver shoe (perhaps from her bouquet or wedding cake) and a little card with their initials on.

Alfred Mansel Young revisited

One of my favourite and most enigmatic characters in my family history is Alfred Mansel Young. I’ve previously posted about him, but just the bare facts. He’s my brick wall.

Why was he an enigma?

Because he left his family in Portsmouth and went to live in South Wales with a branch of his family.

A couple of years ago we went to South Wales for a long weekend and managed to go and visit some of the addresses my relatives had lived. I’m not sure why but I really like doing this and I think it adds another dimension to your knowledge, getting a feel for the places they lived in and the streets they must have walked.

I wonder why he left his family and moved away? His life was so short yet he had moved from Portsmouth to Bridgend and then enlisted and been killed, all by the time he was 21.

He enlisted with the South Wales Borderers in Bridgend and his name is on the Bridgend War Memorial so he must have been living their permanently. Perhaps there were no jobs for him in Portsmouth, he’d fallen out with his family or was sent away after his mother died when he was young?

When we were in Bridgend I checked all the local papers at the local Record Office for mentions of his death but I couldn’t find any.

We visited the street mentioned in the 1911 census but only half of the street survived, the wrong half, of course!

After his death his medals must have been sent to his father as they were eventually passed down to me along with a couple of his army photographs, his cap badge and a name badge.

His First World War Army records were destroyed so this is the only information I have about him. I suppose a lot of people must have people like this in their family whose lives were cut short by war. I just find it so frustrating that I can’t find any information about him.

 

Cole, William St Clair (1853-1924)

I was so excited that someone found my blog searching for William St Clair Cole. I think this is a really unusual name and is one of my ancestors so I was quite sad that they didn’t leave a comment. I thought I would add a post about him in case they come back!

William St Clair Cole was born in 1853 in Cape Town, the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa. His parents were Robert Cole, a Clerk in Holy Orders and Charlotte Cole.

Married Blanche Elizabeth Young on the 23 December 1880 at the Parish Church, Fareham, Southampton.

1881 census: Bank Clerk, 5 Peninsular Terrace, Southampton St Mary

1883 son Robert Mansel S Cole born

1887 daughter Gertrude Cole born

1891 census: 37 Osborn Road, St Denys, Southampton

1892 married Maria Mary Brown, in Paddington, London

1894 daughter Rita St Clair Cole born

1901 census: 8 Anglesea Road, Shirley, Southampton

1902 Kelly’s Directory lists him at 260 Shirley Road, Southampton

1911 census: Bank Clerk, 21 Beach Grove, Liscard, Chesire (wife listed as mentally affected)

Died 1924, Birkenhead, Cheshire

 

Could possible check The London Probate Registry to see if he left a will?